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obama is not a good debater. it is not that obama was off his game. that is his game. he does not have a prompter, he is not good. you see this in press conferences, where he does not have a prompter. he had never been good at press conferences. he rambles, the press is always unimpressed with him. this was a situation where yet more control of the debate, because he picks the questionnaire, and he can decide how long he wants to take for the answer. his only advantage in the next debate will be this. it will be in a town hall. he has got more ability to connect with an audience than romney. he will have an advantage in the second debate that he did not have been the first. >> would you rather be good or lucky? 7.8% unemployment rate. that is pretty good news. >> unless you look at the actual numbers. if you look at those with new jobs, about 114,000. you have to have 150,000 to stay at the same rate. what has been happening is you have people leaving the work force, retiring, or read a wait a minute, nina -- or when you become chronically unemployed, over the one year
obama is not a good debater. it is not that obama was off his game. that is his game. he does not have a prompter, he is not good. you see this in press conferences, where he does not have a prompter. he had never been good at press conferences. he rambles, the press is always unimpressed with him. this was a situation where yet more control of the debate, because he picks the questionnaire, and he can decide how long he wants to take for the answer. his only advantage in the next debate will...
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she stumbled on the truth when she said that obama is not a good debater. it is not that obama was off his game, that is his game. if he does not have a prompter, he is not good. you see it in his press conferences where he does not have a prompter. he has never been good at conferences. he rambles. the press has been unimpressed with what he does. he can decide how long he wants to take for an answer. this is who he is. it is going to be at a town hall the next one. he has more ability to connect with an audience than romney, so he will have an advantage in the second debate that he did not have been the first. >> would you rather be good or lucky? 7.8% unemployment rate. that is pretty good news. >> unless you actually look at the numbers. if you look at those getting new jobs, aut 114,000. the need to have 150 to stay at the same rate. what has been happening is you have people leaving the work force, retiring, or -- wait a minute, nina -- or when you become chronically unemployed, over one year, you drop off the rolls and you are not put in the denomina
she stumbled on the truth when she said that obama is not a good debater. it is not that obama was off his game, that is his game. if he does not have a prompter, he is not good. you see it in his press conferences where he does not have a prompter. he has never been good at conferences. he rambles. the press has been unimpressed with what he does. he can decide how long he wants to take for an answer. this is who he is. it is going to be at a town hall the next one. he has more ability to...
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how will it stack up against the debate between obama and romney? gutfeld and mcguirk have some thoughts on both situations. the boys are next. seems they haven't been moving much lately. but things are starting to turn around because of business people like you. and regions is here to help. with the experience and service to keep things rolling. from business loans to cash management, we want to be your partner moving forward. so switch to regions. and let's get going. together. >> thanks for staying with us, i'm bill o'reilly. in the what the heck just happened segment tonight? the whole country waiting to hear what greg gutfeld and bernard mcguirk thought of the presidential debate this week. we wanted to do something a little bit different. we asked the guys to select the strongest points that candidates made. gutfeld was assigned governor romney and mcguirk president obama. >> i should have watched the debate. rerun of dawson's creek so i missed the next thing. obama let mitt win so people could stop talking about that 2007 speech it was genius
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i watched obama debate alive in primaries when i was with clinton -- debate a lot in primaries. this is the guy that showed up. he is a good debater, but doesn't enjoy it. you look through this debate, ann romney looked like he enjoyed it and was having fun. obama just looked sort of sour and it was like another headache that he had to be there. romney support is needed to be reinvigorated. the question is, what did happen with the undecideds. is that enthusiasm going to spread out in terms of who is going to vote. >> was their body language that you noticed? >> i thought both of them behaved with considerable dignity and courtesy to each other, which people like. as meaghan pointed out, the president was continually looking down and sometimes had an expression on his face that seemed like a smirk. that never helps you. i thought governor romney's body language was pretty good, and the expression on his face this kind of a half smile, not a smirk, as he was looking at the president while he spoke. it was probably better than having him looking down. those observations on body la
i watched obama debate alive in primaries when i was with clinton -- debate a lot in primaries. this is the guy that showed up. he is a good debater, but doesn't enjoy it. you look through this debate, ann romney looked like he enjoyed it and was having fun. obama just looked sort of sour and it was like another headache that he had to be there. romney support is needed to be reinvigorated. the question is, what did happen with the undecideds. is that enthusiasm going to spread out in terms of...
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how will it stack up against the debate between obama and romney? gutfeld and mcguirk have some thoughts on both situations. the boys are next. >> thanks for staying with us, i'm bill o'reilly. in the what the heck just happened segment tonight? the whole country waiting to hear what greg gutfeld and bernard mcguirk thought of the presidential debate this week. we wanted to do something a little bit different. we asked the guys to select the strongest points that candidates made. gutfeld was assigned governor romney and mcguirk president obama. >> i should have watched the debate. rerun of dawson's creek so i missed the next thing. obama let mitt win so people could stop talking about that 2007 speech it was genius. joke. how could this be a surprise? you have a successful businessman who wipes the floor with a grad student. you have guy who knows jobs and a guy who knows jay-z. a guy who had a career. a guy who had a canine. there is no comparison and the most important thing is, this is what nobody is talking about. mitt had to win big. he couldn'
how will it stack up against the debate between obama and romney? gutfeld and mcguirk have some thoughts on both situations. the boys are next. >> thanks for staying with us, i'm bill o'reilly. in the what the heck just happened segment tonight? the whole country waiting to hear what greg gutfeld and bernard mcguirk thought of the presidential debate this week. we wanted to do something a little bit different. we asked the guys to select the strongest points that candidates made. gutfeld...
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how will it stack up against the debate between obama and romney? gutfeld and mcguirk have some thoughts on both situations. the boys are next. what's truly amazing about mercedes new mbrace2 system... is i can follow all my sports... catch the latest breaking news... keep in touch with friends... follow the financial headlines... find a great restaurant... and with siriusxm i can get weather forecasts... all from here. in my mercedes-benz. [ male announcer ] introducing mbrace2. the most comprehensive cloud-bas telematics system on the road. it's your world, from your car. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. and his new boss told him two things -- cook what you love, and save your money. joe doesn't knowt yet, but he'll work his way up from busser to waiter to chef before opening a restaurant specializing in fish and game from the great northwest. he'll start investing early, he'll find some good people to help guide him, and he'll set money aside from his first day of work to his last, which isn't rocket science. it's just common sense. from td am
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i mean, look, obama mailed in that debate last night. and romney was on his game. there is no question about it. now, whether that was because obama thought he was going to have an easy run at it, i don't know. but the 47% has become so engrained and been so says tested and so negative for romney that you ought to use it it's as simple for that. >> bill: we know why he mailed in his game last night, the presidents, because one of the men that you idolize very much al gore told us it was just the elevation and the president was i guess didn't have enough oxygen and just couldn't get the energy level up. >> let's not waste our time on serious analysis with al gore's view about the air. >> bill: are you repudiating global warming? >> of course, not global warming but that idea is just superficial it's ridiculous. i want to congratulate you one thing on the 20 anniversary good call on your part. the bad call on your part is these debates are going to matter. there hasn't been a debate that has mattered since 1960 or maybe 1980. >> bill: bill different time. >> let me g
i mean, look, obama mailed in that debate last night. and romney was on his game. there is no question about it. now, whether that was because obama thought he was going to have an easy run at it, i don't know. but the 47% has become so engrained and been so says tested and so negative for romney that you ought to use it it's as simple for that. >> bill: we know why he mailed in his game last night, the presidents, because one of the men that you idolize very much al gore told us it was...
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debate was wondering where was the obama that we knew at the debate last night. >> jennifer: it is kind of interesting, isn't it? you have actually written a lot about psyching yourself up before a debate. president obama -- he did get into denver just two hours before the debate. do you think that based on his performance, it was somehow a miscalculation to sort of rush it? >> yeah. absolutely. you know, all the way back to 1960 in the first kennedy/nixon debate, the day of the debate, nixon's people put him out. he was doing events, he had speeches he gave the day of the debate which is nuts in retrospect. but i think even something as simple as a travel day why not do that the day before. it just seems like you don't want to take any risk that will throw your candidate off. you want them rested. you want them ready to go and i really don't -- i would like to hear somebody explain why they decided to fly him in that afternoon. >> jennifer: obviously they had a strategy in the debate about him being less combative. that he was going to be more presidential. that had to have been why he
debate was wondering where was the obama that we knew at the debate last night. >> jennifer: it is kind of interesting, isn't it? you have actually written a lot about psyching yourself up before a debate. president obama -- he did get into denver just two hours before the debate. do you think that based on his performance, it was somehow a miscalculation to sort of rush it? >> yeah. absolutely. you know, all the way back to 1960 in the first kennedy/nixon debate, the day of the...
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. >> reporter: do you think it would have helped president obama if the debate commission would have allowed him to use the teleprompter? >> i didn't know he was unable to use the teleprompter. i think it would have gone smoother for him. that's why they have speech writers. >> reporter: do you think he should have been allowed to use it? >> i think they all this should. how do you memorize a 90-minute debate. >> reporter: why do you think the debate commission didn't allow obama to use a teleprompter? >> i don't know why. >> reporter: was that fair? >> i don't think it was fair. i don't think, you know, he got enough opportunity to speak at times. they would keep trying to cut him short. >> i think he was holding back a little bit. >> reporter: holding back? why do you think he used the strategy to hold back and let rom recommend look so good? >> because this is only the first debate and he has to be careful what he says. so... >> reporter: do you think it was fair for the debate commission to not let president obama use a teleprompter? >> no. i mean, you could tell he was strugglin
. >> reporter: do you think it would have helped president obama if the debate commission would have allowed him to use the teleprompter? >> i didn't know he was unable to use the teleprompter. i think it would have gone smoother for him. that's why they have speech writers. >> reporter: do you think he should have been allowed to use it? >> i think they all this should. how do you memorize a 90-minute debate. >> reporter: why do you think the debate commission...
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showed the state a two point margin for obama before the debate. if the state is comfortably put away, why is the obama campaign next week increasing its buy in ohio by 50%? you don't add a lot of money, a lot, you know, millions plus on to a state you think you put away. that's is what's happening in ohio next week. president obama's campaign is adding a pretty significant amount to the tv there. lou: how concerned are you about money? by the way, if i misspoke, i apologize, but we got to find out who is running the american crossroads, because i want to talk to them more often. >> his name is steven law. he was the ceo of american crossroads, and a very able guy. lou: i got you. until then, if it's all right, we'll just stick with you. is that all right? >> all right. >> in ohio, around the country, we're looking at the wall street journal reporting $150 million raised last month for the obama campaign. we'll told by the romney campaign theirs is going to be impressive, but we don't have any numbers. do you have a sense that the romney campaign i
showed the state a two point margin for obama before the debate. if the state is comfortably put away, why is the obama campaign next week increasing its buy in ohio by 50%? you don't add a lot of money, a lot, you know, millions plus on to a state you think you put away. that's is what's happening in ohio next week. president obama's campaign is adding a pretty significant amount to the tv there. lou: how concerned are you about money? by the way, if i misspoke, i apologize, but we got to find...
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romney is out with a new podcast this afternoon, in which he attacks president obama over his debate performance. >> president obama could not defend his record. he offered no new ideas for how to fix the economy. i welcome the chance to share my vision for renewed prosperity and opportunity and i think it compared quite favorably to president obama's policy for big, trickle-down government. >> this past hour, mitt romney's son, josh, met with reporters in the swing state of virginia. it's part of a day-long effort the campaign is calling super saturday, with volunteers going door to door in battleground states. president obama has no public events today. he will head to california tomorrow, where he is expected to tout the new jobs number, 7.8%, and some big fund-raising numbers out today. president obama and the democrats raised $181 million in september, the highest single-month total so far. more on all these stories throughout the next two hours. >>> the campaign focus shifts a bit next week to the vice presidential nominees. paul ryan and joe biden will face off in their only d
romney is out with a new podcast this afternoon, in which he attacks president obama over his debate performance. >> president obama could not defend his record. he offered no new ideas for how to fix the economy. i welcome the chance to share my vision for renewed prosperity and opportunity and i think it compared quite favorably to president obama's policy for big, trickle-down government. >> this past hour, mitt romney's son, josh, met with reporters in the swing state of...
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now just ahead of the first presidential debate, the obama caai has released this hard-hitting ad in several manufacturg and swing states. >> these appliances could have be made heamerren a, but a company called global tech maximizeprofits by paying employees next to nothing. wh saw it as a goodnvestmt even knowing that t firpromed its practice of low-wage lab mitt romney, tough on china? since >> a romney spokeswoman responded, this is another overard ad from a president s failure to stand up to chi. the statement goes on, but not once does it actually deny any of the charges against mitt she. good to have you with us tonight. i think this latest obama ad plays rit to the workers of ohio. mitt romney and bain capital other manufacturg states?t has how damagings this? >> it's been very damaging.en a explode. take auto parts.illi with china auto pts today it's $10 billion. that's why the president at th urging of a number of us, they have taken china to thworld trade organization to show china tariffs protectmerin seeing a pattern of the government finally othe side of workers, finall
now just ahead of the first presidential debate, the obama caai has released this hard-hitting ad in several manufacturg and swing states. >> these appliances could have be made heamerren a, but a company called global tech maximizeprofits by paying employees next to nothing. wh saw it as a goodnvestmt even knowing that t firpromed its practice of low-wage lab mitt romney, tough on china? since >> a romney spokeswoman responded, this is another overard ad from a president s failure...
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the romney ryan ticket turns to the debates to try to narrow the gap against president obama. with 37 days until the election, we go on the campaign trail with paul ryan. >> this is a high stakes election. we will give the country a very clear choice. >> chris: and we sit down for an exclusive interview in which we discuss the economy, the new focus on national security and growing criticism of the rney mpmpgngn ululyayaonly on "fox newew susuay th, we will preview wednesday's first obama/romney debate and ask our sunday panel what each candidate needs to do to win the first face-off. and our power player of the week has spent almost half his life telling the inside story of how a president rose and fell from power. all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. with just five weeks until election day and new polls showing president obama leading in key swing states, the presidential debates may be mitt romney's last best chance to turn this race around. and so we wanted to find out what the romney/ryan plan is when they face off against obama
the romney ryan ticket turns to the debates to try to narrow the gap against president obama. with 37 days until the election, we go on the campaign trail with paul ryan. >> this is a high stakes election. we will give the country a very clear choice. >> chris: and we sit down for an exclusive interview in which we discuss the economy, the new focus on national security and growing criticism of the rney mpmpgngn ululyayaonly on "fox newew susuay th, we will preview wednesday's...
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>> bret: president obama and congressman paul ryan talking about the upcoming debate. just down the road in denver on wednesday. let's talk about that and some of the issues on the table. bring in the panel from washington. rick klein, senior washington editor for abc news. a.b. stoddard, associate editor of the hill. syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. charles, you heard the back and forth on the sunday shows. what about the setup to this debate? what needs to happen and what is being talked about? >> it looks ridiculous. each side is pretending that the other can't even speak english. obviously, i don't think it will have any effect. romney did do rather well in his debate. he got better. he's done a lot of them, but people are saying well, obama hand debated in all this time. obama is really good. he did come out of nowhere. he beat the clinton machine. he did it in part in his debate, oratory. he will be strong. his one weak point is he is thin skinned. you o the press conference. if romney can manage to get under his skin in some way, that happened in 2008.
>> bret: president obama and congressman paul ryan talking about the upcoming debate. just down the road in denver on wednesday. let's talk about that and some of the issues on the table. bring in the panel from washington. rick klein, senior washington editor for abc news. a.b. stoddard, associate editor of the hill. syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. charles, you heard the back and forth on the sunday shows. what about the setup to this debate? what needs to happen and what is...
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he did not control the debate at all. obama had much more time than romney. i think a couple of times, romney did sort of interrupt, but he had to. obama had been on for five minutes. i timed it myself. the other thing is that people are saying that romney did not lay out his agenda very well. i think he did. he explained what he wanted to do, 1, 2, 3, several times. the lady from florida said that he didn't explain what he was going to
he did not control the debate at all. obama had much more time than romney. i think a couple of times, romney did sort of interrupt, but he had to. obama had been on for five minutes. i timed it myself. the other thing is that people are saying that romney did not lay out his agenda very well. i think he did. he explained what he wanted to do, 1, 2, 3, several times. the lady from florida said that he didn't explain what he was going to
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when we asked debate watchers their opinion of president obama before the debate, after the debate, favorable, unfavorable, unchanged essentially, and the same for mitt romney, unchanged. mitt romney, 55% favorable. high for him. so while they may have believed mitt romney won the debate, the question is whether it chaz changed their attitude toward mitt mitt romney. >> first of all, that sample i think we'll find out that sample was more than just a few points more republican. i have never seen a poll like that. the second thing is, you got to say the idea is that you moved the needle to favorability. -- 65% said he won it. and if you look at the issue of distinctions in a sample that seemed to me to be a few points more republican, i'm now -- and people say, yes, he won the debate. everybody here says he won the debate. i'm not sure if the payoffill be that huge. >> we don't know the payoff yet. one way or the other. the sample sounds like it's skews. but it's worth noting that cbs took a poll tonight of undecideds, and had 2-1 romney winning. we have two polls out there. we'll se
when we asked debate watchers their opinion of president obama before the debate, after the debate, favorable, unfavorable, unchanged essentially, and the same for mitt romney, unchanged. mitt romney, 55% favorable. high for him. so while they may have believed mitt romney won the debate, the question is whether it chaz changed their attitude toward mitt mitt romney. >> first of all, that sample i think we'll find out that sample was more than just a few points more republican. i have...
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about, you know, a nearly unrecognizable obama during the debate. then the next day he kind of came alive. he was on fire again, et cetera. has his camp said anything about his new strategy or returning to the old strategy? anything to that degree? >> reporter: right. well, they have talked about the president responding to the romney that they said showed up at the debates. the president very aggressive now and all indications are that's the strategy into the next debate as well. one thing we're seeing is that top advisers for the president are also still attacking mitt romney for his performance during that debate. the on the sunday morning shows, a couple of top advisers, david axelrod and robert gibbs calling it him dishonest. one said governor romney has a strange relationship with the truth. >> mitt did a superb acting job. you know, he did everything but learn tap dance. >> he was dishonest when he said he never proposed $5 trillion in tax cuts, that was dishonest. you said on the broadcast to 70 million americans, i will repeal obama care, b
about, you know, a nearly unrecognizable obama during the debate. then the next day he kind of came alive. he was on fire again, et cetera. has his camp said anything about his new strategy or returning to the old strategy? anything to that degree? >> reporter: right. well, they have talked about the president responding to the romney that they said showed up at the debates. the president very aggressive now and all indications are that's the strategy into the next debate as well. one...
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. >> reporter: the obama campaign admits it needs a change in strategy for the next two debates. president obama held back from attacking romney during the debate but that changed when he returned to the campaign trail. >> i almost got to watch out. >> reporter: the president attacked romney's plan to cut subsidies to pbs and his position was so different from what he said in the past he didn't recognize who he was debating. >> whoever was on stage last night doesn't want to be held accountable for what mitt romney has been saying in the last year. >> vice president biden gave the romney campaign another nugget to jump on. >> obama and biden want to raise taxes by a trillion dollars. yes we do. >> reporter: biden said the super wealthy needs to pay more. romney says that will kill jobs. another wild card in this race comes later this morning. the government releases its september unemployment report. experts see that jobless rate rising from the current 8.1%. >> we'll be talking about that a little later. susan mcginnis in washington. thank you so much. word this morning that a r
. >> reporter: the obama campaign admits it needs a change in strategy for the next two debates. president obama held back from attacking romney during the debate but that changed when he returned to the campaign trail. >> i almost got to watch out. >> reporter: the president attacked romney's plan to cut subsidies to pbs and his position was so different from what he said in the past he didn't recognize who he was debating. >> whoever was on stage last night doesn't...
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i moderated four obama debates in the last cycle four years ago including one-on-one debate at the kodak theater with hillary clinton and barack obama, one of their last debates before he won the democratic presidential nomination. you know, he wasn't a fabulous debater but he was solid and when he had to he went after her and went after john edwards and the other democratic candidates but over the past four years he has been president and clearly not involved in these kind of debates and his advisers should have been better prepared and they have have worked with him a the although more to get ready and they have have studied. mitt romney was a very good debater and i did three debates this time where he really undermined rick perry or rick santorum or newt gingrich. he knew how to do it and it was underlined last well. >> the voters better hope they are not going to the polls today and -- or doing the early voting. >> still two mow presidential debates -- more presidential debates and vice presidential debates. there is a flip side of saying the president will get re-elected. four and
i moderated four obama debates in the last cycle four years ago including one-on-one debate at the kodak theater with hillary clinton and barack obama, one of their last debates before he won the democratic presidential nomination. you know, he wasn't a fabulous debater but he was solid and when he had to he went after her and went after john edwards and the other democratic candidates but over the past four years he has been president and clearly not involved in these kind of debates and his...
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the obama people are smart with the bain ads. his only defense sibelieve in free enterprise and someone said he made $20 million while we were fire and lost our health coverage. he became the opposite of what ronald reagan was to the reagan democrats. rightly or wrongly, the reagan democrats thought he understood them and had come from a family like theirs. he cared about them. it's okay to be rich. it's not okay to be the candidate of the rich, for the rich and by the rich and out of touch. >> there big moments and every campaign. romney's 47% remarks may be one of the biggest for him and still playing out. republicans chances for regaining the senate are diminishing day by day and todd akin is at the center of all of it. stay with us. we're sitting on a bunch of shale gas. there's natural gas under my town. it's a game changer. ♪ it means cleaner, cheaper american-made energy. but we've got to be careful how we get it. design the wells to be safe. thousands of jobs. use the most advanced technology to protect our water. billi
the obama people are smart with the bain ads. his only defense sibelieve in free enterprise and someone said he made $20 million while we were fire and lost our health coverage. he became the opposite of what ronald reagan was to the reagan democrats. rightly or wrongly, the reagan democrats thought he understood them and had come from a family like theirs. he cared about them. it's okay to be rich. it's not okay to be the candidate of the rich, for the rich and by the rich and out of touch....